Posts by Hiding Questioner

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The book,In Search of Christian Freedom

by pat1060 in

i have been reading the book in search of christian freedom by r franz.i just finished the chapter on the house to house ministry....unbelieveble.

he shows a totally different way of explaining the scriptures.i never realized how much the gb slants every thing to it's teachings.they need the nwt to do this.if you haven't read this book,you really should.what i'm wondering if you have read it,what stands out for you.....

Hiding Questioner

I would love to buy this book but I have a problem. My wife does not know yet about my "free mind" and for the sake of our marrriage I must keep it that way. Does anyone have an idea as to how I can get this book without it being traced back to me? Getting it off the Net would be best so that it does not arrive in the mail at our house. But then how can I pay for it if I use a credit card? She will see the charge! Any ideas?

By the way, I did manage to read C of C when I was away on a job assignment. That Book was a real eye opener and it confirmed all my doubts! I ordered that book through Borders, had them call my cell when it came in and paid cash when I picked it up. Perhaps, I need to repeat this process for ISOCF, except it's still risky since it would be through a local book store.

Any suggestions?

HQ

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My Wife is demanding that I stop coming to this board.

by garyneal in

okay, i am in a bit of a dilemma.

since i believe in honesty between marriage mates, i have been telling my wife about this board and my participation on it.

i feel it is only right so that she won't feel like i have anything to hide.

Hiding Questioner

I hope all of you don't view this as a hijack of this tread but I must comment on....

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How I feel about this site

by RickyCisco in

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(... with a few slight edits of my own, from the movie "fight club").

"i see in this forum the strongest and smartest men who have ever lived.

all this greatness, all this potential-- how is it squandered?

Hiding Questioner

I've been looking for a Thread to express this thought for some time now and finally I believe I have found it.

The thought is: as bad as the CULT-like WT's writings are imagine how much worse it would be if not for this site. I truely believe that Bethel monitors this site and that is GOOD! - as, by now, the WBT$ knows that each and every written word they publish will be and is examined carefully by those on this and other Forums. This must give them some pause when considering what they are going to write in the publications knowing they will or can be torn apart by the sharp-eyed and smart people here. So, as CULT-like and crazy the writings may be, I believe it would be much worse if this site did not exist. Hence, I believe some of you are doing a valuable service keeping the Borg in check and therefore I want to recgnize this and thank all of you.

You all deserve this "pat on the back" recognition.

HQ

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No natural affection? Jehovahs Witnesses fulfill this scripture

by jambon1 in

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anyone who can turn their back on their flesh & blood sons and daughters, mothers and fathers fulfill this prophecy perfectly.. people who do this are utterly unloving & cruel.

it has lead thousands of people to feel issolated, alone & in many cases suicidal.

how can such a thing originate with god?.

Hiding Questioner

"But these freaks glorify in it. Wearing it like a badge of honour as if they are actually doing it for god."

I was just out in my monthly token fake FS this morning and one of the gloating topics of conversation was how we divide familities and how this was prophesed by Jesus i.e. "I came to cause division" (Luke 12:51) and, as a result, how such events are truely a sign that "we" have "the Truth" (tm). This is how they explain away and justify their abandoning conduct. It was all I could do to sit there and hear this cruel uncaring attitude.

Not sure how much more of this I can take.

HQ

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Started reading Crisis of Conscience

by KingDavidwasframed in

i was referred to the above mentioned book but never thought it necessary before to read.

i am starting the 3rd chapter now and all i can say is wow!

what happened to me has happened to many.

Hiding Questioner

C of C was a turning point for me as well. I just wish I had read it years earlier, it would have saved me a ton of grief.

"He was ambushed like I was (and so many others). I think it was Mark Twain who said "A lie is half way around the World before the truth can even pull up its pants". I couldn't believe how many so called "friends" believed the lies about me without so much as even asking to hear my side as well. Now I see why."

Why is it that good people are "ambushed" as JWs? As noted, Ray, KD and myself were ambushed and then slandered with lies, with those spreading them seemingly getting away with it. It hurts and makes me angry to this day. Using KD's last post's text I can also tell a similiar story to that of KD...

I recall when my ex was spreading false stories about me, as business travel to San Francisco somehow gave her justification to tell others that I was now gay. I too went to speak with an elder (after being ambushed by a kangeroo court JC trial of her creation) and the elder wouldn't even talk to me even though I was now kicked out of my own house (wife changed the locks) and took my car and now I was out on "the streets". I sought his help and, as we stood there at his front porch, he refused to invite me in (even though I had previously attended his book study in his home!!!) and his words to me were "Well, I can't establish who is telling the truth and therefore I can not know what isn't true. Sorry." I COULDN'T BELIEVE MY EARS!!! By this time I was being shunned by all the JWs in the area, so I then sought shelter at my "worldly" ex boss's house who, without hesitation, said "you're welcome to stay here as long as you need." So, because I had the misfortune of traveling to San Francisco, I was now somehow "capable of" being gay and therefore must be shunned.

Like KD, sorry for the rant.

HQ

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What do most ex-JWs "believe" after leaving?

by EverAStudent in

has anyone done a survey to determine what faith system, religion, or set of religious beliefs ex-jws tend to settle into after leaving the organization?

if not, would you care to post what you presently consider to be your own personal religion (e.g.

protestant, catholic, baptist, jw but not in the organization, agnostic, atheist, ...) and especially what you presently believe about jesus (was he a real historical human, is he god, is he an angel, ...).. thank you!.

Hiding Questioner

Thanks for asking...great question.

Since experiencing the truth about "the Truth" (tm) and joining this forum I have given this matter a lot of thought. Perhaps it is my reluntance to give up the faith of my birth and parents, but for me I have, even though I still attend meetings, etc for my wife, kept some of the JW faith but with a twist.

First, I have resigned myself to the fact that the WBTS is a cult that allows evil proeple to take advantage of others and that the WBTS victimizes the victims. Once I realized this damaging and currupting influence, I resolved to never subject anyone to this cancer, even though I go out "in service" (tm). And, so far I have managed to keep myself secret in my true beliefs...

What are my beliefs? I believe that at one time the WBTS had close to (not all) of "the Truth" of the Bible but greed, power, curruption and just plain stupidity caused them to fail. That failure God sees and will judge the WBTS accordingly for all the harm they have done and contiue to do. Therefore, I do believe in a god that cares for ALL mankind (not just JWs) and that he does have a purpose to restore his original plans for the earth. It's just that we do not know when that will be. But I do know now that the WBTS is not the means to attain that "hope" and that the good people of "the world" can look forward to these blessings while the "bad" of the WBTS will be amazed at their judgement.

HQ

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what is the best state in the usa to live in / visit?

by highdose in

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am thinking of doing some globe trotting soon, would like some insider info/ opinions please.

Hiding Questioner

New Mexico...

It's got friendly people, history, culture, indian ruins, art (paintings, pottery, jewelry, furniture, etc.), mountains and scenery, the "West", convenient location, great food that can't be duplicated even though many try, diversity, low cost of living, Sante Fe is the most interesting city in the US and the most european-like I know with its narrow crazy quilt of streets (some of which are still dirt near downtown), open spaces, great federal parks, deserts and snow (skiing), unique architecture, great fireplaces and firewood (pinion), great resorts, environmentally focused and much more.

...and no, I do not live in NM, just wish I did.

HQ

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Are YOU Shunned By Jehovah's Witnesses At All?

by minimus in

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some witnesses speak to me quite normally/.

others avoid me like the plague.. how are you treated by the witnesses?.

Hiding Questioner

Good question..because you don't necessarily needed to be DFed to be shunned. In fact, the concept is so well ingrained in JW minds that anyone, with a strong enough personality, can develop a "cause" that promotes the widespread shunning of an individual that can succeed over long periods of time, nevermind any history of JW "faithfulness" or family. Case in point is the shunning success of my now JW ex-wife, who has, based on lies and fabrications, managed to have my JW extended family and so-called JW friends shun me for almost 20 years when, all that time, I have been well liked by others and have maintained myself as a witness "in good standing".

HQ

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Child Molestation and the Two Witness Rule

by garyneal in

this morning, as i was fixing breakfast, my wife and i got on the subject of religion (again) and i apologized to her for some of the things i said yesterday regarding the jehovah's witnesses.. in short, i said that given the way she treated me in regards to keeping me in the dark about certain financial situations, overdrawing her checking account and running up $500 in credit card debt due to her overdrafts that i am surprised the elder and his wife would approve of her activities in light of their teachings.

i said, "when you go to their house and study that book 'keeping yourself in god's love' with them, ask them what they would think of you taking such a nonchalant attitude over how you are managing the household finances and the way you respond to me when i inquire about the situation.

telling me that 'i should not worry' and that 'i am being fed and have a roof over my head' in such a way that i should just be quiet about it and let you be in charge.

Hiding Questioner

"I can't believe they've never heard or seen this stuff. You can bet your bottom dollar that there isn't a Catholic that hasn't heard about their sex abuse issues. How do they keep these people in the dark!!?!?"

They keep them in the dark by completely ignoring this issue. I will never forget the meetings held after the NBC news broadcast on hidden sexual abuse in KHs of about a year ago. At the time I fully expended some form of response to the congregations in the form of an announcement and suggestions on how to respond at the doors...for surely this will come up and we need an accurately response or do we? Well...nothing! As time went on I felt so sorry for Pioneers who must blindly go door to door supporting the Borg with nothing from them to aid in their defense!

HQ

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The Truth Of "Serving" As An Elder

by minimus in

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friends

who the hell are "the elders"?

being an elder is supposed to be a "privilege".

elders are supposed to be "shepherds" who care for the flock.

Hiding Questioner

"...it is the ultimate power ego trip...WE are appointed by Holy Spirit. WE can explain the mysteries of the Universe and the Will of GOD ! (Wow!)"

This reminded me of a recent meeting when a sister made the comment that getting a visit from an elder was such a privilage as it was as if Jesus himself was coming by to see you" PUKE!

HQ